“Be careful … at some point, I fight back.”

Martin Bailes wrote in medium.com:

“Be careful … at some point I fight back.”

You all do know McCains story right? Prisoner of War in 1967 with fractured arms & legs then beaten & tortured …

put in solitary … refused preferential early release & came home with permanent life-long disabilities, It was of course to McCain Trump was referring in his vacuous bitter put-down “He’s not a war hero … I like people who weren’t captured.” And it is to this man, this now dying man, that bone-spur draft dodging New York building playboy now threatens to “fight back” McCain’s politics may trouble me but he’s a man worthy of decent treatment more than a little respect … & I can only echo the words of another veteran on the TV talking of (sic) Trump “this man has the empathy of a cockroach.”
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“McCain’s politics may trouble me, but he’s a man worthy of decent treatment & more than a little respect …”

Did you ever wonder why the Veterans did not get pissed off at Trump for saying that about McCain? I am a U. S. Marine, active duty 1960–63 and an active member of the Marine Corps League for 30 years, and I do not hold a single Marine who holds any respect for old Songbird McCain. He broke his arms & legs because he did not tuck them in when he ejected from his jet, and he was never beaten. He says that he refused preferential early release, let me ask you, what powers did he have to refuse his captures anything?

I have spoken with POW who was at the Hanoi Hilton with him, they all called him Songbird he told them all he knew without being tortured.

The Republican US presidential candidate John McCain was not tortured during his captivity in North Vietnam, the chief prison guard of the jail in which he was held has claimed.

In an interview with the Italian daily Corriere della Sera, Nguyen Tien Tran acknowledged that conditions in the prison were “tough, though not inhuman”. But, he added: “We never tortured McCain. On the contrary, we saved his life, curing him with extremely valuable medicines that at times were not available to our own wounded.” Source:

Here is the profile of John McCain noting he is the only American in history who could defect to a Communist country and there be declared an Air Ace for their side as he has personally destroyed five of our fighter aircraft. We also note that he received too much room service at the Hanoi Hilton.

USS Forrestal fire: Factcheck.org / Godlikeproductions.com

The 1967 USS Forrestal fire was a devastating event with series of chain-reaction explosions on 29 July 1967 killing 134 sailors and injuring 161 persons on the USS Forrestal (CVA-59), after an electrical anomaly discharged a “Zuni” rocket on the flight deck. Forrestal was in combat operations in the Gulf of Tonkin during the Vietnam War at the time. Damage exceeded $72 million (equivalent to $502 million today) including damage to aircraft.

The claim has been made:

”Surviving crewmen and those who investigated the Forrestal fire case reported that John McCain deliberately ‘wet-started’ his A-4E Skyhawk as a prank on the F-4 Phantom behind his A-4. “Wet-starts,” may be done deliberately, by pumping kerosene fuel into the engine without ignition, then lighting it to shoot a large flame from the tail of the aircraft. It was concluded by investigators that John McCain deliberately “wet-fired” his A-4E. In McCain’s case, the ‘wet-start’ launched a Zuni rocket from the F-4 behind them.”

Daredevil Piloting:

During the course of his flying career in the U.S. Navy, John McCain was involved in five major mishaps or crashes with his aircraft. The most dramatic incidents occurred in 1967. He barely escaped with his life after the missile exploded aboard an aircraft carrier, the USS Forrestal, in July of that year, but killing 134 of his fellow crew members. In October, McCain was shot down over Vietnam by a surface-to-air missile.

The official Navy report into the Corpus Christi accident on March 12, 1960, concludes that the AD-6 Skyraider trainer crashed because McCain failed to “maintain an airspeed above stall speed.” It attributed the accident to “the preoccupation of the pilot with a power setting too low to maintain level flight.” The single-engine prop plane sank in Corpus Christi Bay. McCain was rescued by a helicopter after swimming to the surface. The accident report excluded a series of other factors, including engine failure and disorientation of the pilot due to vertigo. But, it concluded pilot error was “the sole contributing factor” to the accident.

A copy of the report was obtained by The Washington Post from the Democratic National Committee, which conducted research at the Naval Historical Center in Washington. McCain had another accident with a T-2 trainer jet in November 1965, while flying between New York City and Norfolk, Va. The Naval Aviation Safety Center was unable to determine the precise cause of the accident or the degree of pilot error.

McCain wrote later that his engine “flamed out” and he had to eject. In his autobiography, McCain recalls another mishap around December 1961 when “I knocked down some power lines while flying too low over southern Spain. My daredevil clowning cut off electricity to a great many Spanish homes and created a small international incident.”

He landed his Skyraider back on the USS Intrepid after the incident, which does not appear to have triggered a safety investigation, but then John McCain’s father and grandfather were both high ranking Admirals in the US Navy.

Some of those who were on the Forrestal and other persons familiar with the ordnance told me that because the rocket did not hit McCain’s craft, only actions by the pilot could have caused any bomb to fall from McCain’s Skyhawk. These sources — who spoke under the condition that they not be publicly identified — agree with each other that, if any bomb fell from the McCain airplane, it was because of actions that he took either in error or panic upon seeing the fire on the deck or in his hasty exit from the plane. Two switches in the cockpit of a Skyhawk need to be thrown to drop such a bomb, according to the sources.

Whatever the circumstances of the fire’s origins, McCain did not stay on deck to help fight the blaze as the men around him did. With the firefighting crew virtually wiped out, men untrained in fighting fires had to pick up the fire hoses, rescue the wounded or frantically throw bombs and even planes over the ship’s side to prevent further tragedy. McCain left them behind and went down to the hangar-bay level, where he briefly helped crew members heave some bombs overboard. After that, he went to the pilot’s ready room and watched the fire on a television monitor hooked to a camera trained on the deck. From Investigating John McCain’s Tragedy at Sea.

Senator John McCain The Traitor — Audio Proof

McCain worked hard to normalize US/Vietnam relation without an accounting of all POWs, KIA, and MIA:

John McCain, who has risen to political prominence on his image as a Vietnam POW war hero, has, inexplicably, worked very hard to hide from the public stunning information about American prisoners in Vietnam who, unlike him, didn’t return home. Throughout his Senate career, McCain has quietly sponsored and pushed into federal law a set of prohibitions that keep the most revealing information about these men buried as classified documents. Thus the war hero people would logically imagine to be a determined crusader for the interests of POWs and their families became instead the strange champion of hiding the evidence and closing the books.

Almost as striking is the manner in which the mainstream press has shied from reporting the POW story and McCain’s role in it, even as McCain has made his military service and POW history the focus of his presidential campaign. Reporters who had covered the Vietnam War have also turned their heads and walked in other directions. McCain doesn’t talk about the missing men, and the press never asks him about them.

You can knock Trump all you want for being a draft dodger, but he did not burn his draft card and run off to Canada like so many, he took the same risk of being called up as everyone who got a college deferment. Did it piss you off that Bill Clinton dodged the draft?

Why do you think Trump won the Veteran and active military vote by far?

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