Do We Know Why Malaysian flight MH17 Was Shot Down?

We do not know who fire the missile that took Malaysian flight MH17 down, all we know is what the MSM is telling us. The Ukrainians could benefit by a Black Flag Op to put pressure on Putin to stop supporting the “separatists”, and World Bankers position of power would be enhanced if they could get rid of Putin and blame it on one of his own surface-to-air missiles. The ones would benefit the least would be the separatists it seems to me.

Thom Hartmann: 

A global power shift is occurring underneath all of us. With the United States economy still struggling through the muck – and the European economy in complete free fall – new economic powers around the world are seeing this as an opportunity to gain more power in the global marketplace. In a direct affront to the International Monetary Fund and the World Bank – the BRIC nations – Brazil, Russia, India, China, and South Africa – are floating the idea of setting up their own multilateral bank – funded by these developing nations to help finance projects within their own nations. According to IMF projections – BRIC nations are set to see strong economic growth this year – while most of the Western World stagnates. For example – the US economy is expected to grow by less than 2% in 2012 – while the austerity-driven Eurozone is expected to actually contract by a half-percent. On the other hand – BRIC nations like India and China are looking at growth rates of 7% and 8% respectively.

This image from just last week of the leaders of the BRICS nations and the heads of just about every other Latin American government all happily grouped around a smiling Vladimir Putin.

Putin was flying back to Russia from this meeting when flight MH17 was shot down down.

From Russian Times:

“I can say that Putin’s plane and the Malaysian Boeing intersected at the same point and the same echelon. That was close to Warsaw on 330-m echelon at the height of 10,100 meters. The presidential jet was there at 16:21 Moscow time and the Malaysian aircraft – 15:44 Moscow time,” a source told the news agency on condition of anonymity. “The contours of the aircrafts are similar, linear dimensions are also very similar, as for the coloring, at a quite remote distance they are almost identical”, the source added.

Like I said, we do not know who shot down flight MH17, but remember what happen to Moammar Gadhafi decided to forgo the dollar as a medium of exchange. Connecting The Dots: Gadhafi, Benghazi, Syria, ISIS, Qatar, Turkey, Russian, and the Ukraine

It was over Gadhafi dream, he was the last major global leader that was promoted the dream of pan-African unity, and his disappearance from the political stage would remove the last remaining enthusiast for a European-style political union in Africa. His plan to quit selling Libyan oil in U.S. dollars — demanding payment instead in gold-backed “dinars” (a single African currency made from gold) — was the real cause he had to go.

When Gadhafi unveiled his plan to bypass the petrodollar and only sell his oil for gold the fact that he had given up his nuclear weapons program, and stopped funding terrorism did not mean anything, and he had to be disposed.  I am sure that the powers that be who decided that Gadhafi had to go have the same reasons to put Putin down, and there is just as much reason for believing that they were behind the downing of flight MH17 as the Ukrainian Russian Separatists. To lend credibility to this contention is this video of  flight MH17 just after it was shot down taken in the Ukraine which shows Chaff streamers floating down from where the plane blew up onto the wreckage site.

Chaff (countermeasure)

Chaff, originally called Window[1] by the British, and Düppel by the Second World War era German Luftwaffe (from the Berlin suburb where it was first developed), is a radar countermeasure in which aircraft or other targets spread a cloud of small, thin pieces of aluminium, metallized glass fibre or plastic, which either appears as a cluster of primary targets on radar screens or swamps the screen with multiple returns. Modern armed forces use chaff (in naval applications, for instance, using short-range SRBOC rockets) to distract radar-guided missiles from their targets. Most military aircraft and warships have chaff dispensing systems for self-defence. An intercontinental ballistic missile may release in its midcourse phase several independent warheads, a large number of decoys, and chaff.

It is highly unlikely that a commercial 777 passenger plane would be outfitted with such counter measures.

Stay safe.


Here is a plausible argument that the Ukrainian army shot MH17 down to put heat upon Russia in order to make Putin stop supporting the Separatist.


At this time my provisional conclusion is that MH17 was shot down by an air defense battery of the Ukrainian army, from Ukrainian territory, using an SA-17 Buk missile.  I respectfully associate myself with the statements of the Russian federal government on the issue.

My estimate is that a 9M317 single-stage, solid fueled missile was used, in semi-active homing mode.  The 317 uses a radar proximity fuse and a direct hit can probably be ruled out.  That is to say the warhead probably detonated away from the hull, perhaps as much as 50 feet away.

That is consistent with the eyewitness evidence, which is of the plane falling from the sky more or less intact, and breaking apart on impact, and the tight debris field.  Although there was a post-crash fire most of the unfortunate victims seem to have died from negative G-forces whilst strapped into their seats.

The fact that most passengers were strapped in suggests that Captain Leong had time to warn his passengers of impending missile impact.  There is some evidence that he took evasive maneuvers, correctly diving the aircraft to increase speed and mitigate damage due to explosive decompression.

MH17’s assigned altitude, by Ukrainian air traffic control, was FL330, or 33,000 feet.  I suspect that Captain Leong or his first officer saw the incoming and, as indicated, dived, so that interception was at a lower altitude. (For more click above)

Like I said above, we just do not know who pulled the trigger, or put the plan in action (if there was a plan).  All we know is what others are telling us.  And most, if not all, of those who are telling us are just repeating what they have been told.  If this was a US Government conspiracy to kill Russia’s support for the Ukrainian Separatist what MSM would report that?  CNN, MSMBC, CBS, ABC?  And if Fox did it would be only because Fox is a racist network.

I have no doubt the the US Government conspired with others to dethrone  Gadhafi.  Nor do  I doubt that the US through NATO instigated the Orange Revolution in Ukrainian in 2004 which deliver the presidency to Western-favorite Viktor Yushchenko over Yanukovich.  However, the former proved to be ineffective and inconsistent.  NATO got involved again and helped Yanukovich, a former convict who allied with many of the country’s business oligarchs, narrowly won the 2009 race.  NATO wanted Ukraine to become a member in order to box in Russia, and limit their access to the European market via the natural gas pipelines through Ukraine.

From Local Life:

A Spectacular Coup

This mass protest was a spectacular coup pulled off by Yushchenko’s campaign and far from a spontaneous outburst that it might have seemed to the outside observer from the West. As Yushchenko urged his supporters not to leave Independence Square until the fraudulent election results had been annulled, his campaigners had already organised the means for them to remain as long as possible in what was a very carefully planned operation. 5,000 tonnes of porridge and 10,000 loaves of bread were supplied to protesters each day, 300 portable toilets were laid on, tents were supplied with heaters (to combat sub-zero temperatures), plus foam pads and sleeping bags, with 11 truckloads of rubbish spirited away each day – largely financed by American money. Meanwhile Ukrainian popstar Ruslana and the Klitchko brothers (Ukraine’s famous heavyweight boxers) appeared on stage to lend kudos to the campaign.

Who do you think arranged to pay for and deliver all of that food?

Moving on up to the removal President Viktor Yanukovich


When the West realized they could not get rid of President Viktor Yanukovich through peaceful demonstrations, they brought in the mob, journalist and writer Christine Stone has told RT.

Leaders of far right groups like Dmitry Yarosh in the Ukraine are useful to the West because their existence allows them to back more moderate political figures and save face, Christine Stone, who acted as an observer at Ukraine’s presidential election during the Orange revolution a decade ago, told RT.

RT: What do you make of the decision by the leader of the Ukrainian far-right group, Dmitry Yarosh, to run for President – do you think he stands a chance?

CS: No, I don’t think he stands a chance. But he serves a very useful purpose for the West in that when he is soundly beaten by “moderates” like Yulia Timoshenko or Vitaly Klitchko – they will be able to appoint who the sensible and moderate Ukrainian voter “wants”. So I think he serves a purpose in this forthcoming election, assuming it takes place as predicted.

RT: Russia’s Foreign Minister said the West was aware of the influence radical groups have on the interim Ukrainian government, yet prefers to stay silent on that issue. Do you believe that’s the case – and if so, why?

CS: I think the West has used extremists in various wars and upsets that have been caused in the last 20 years or so. Originally in Georgia in 1991, the mafia helped chase Zviad Gamsakhurdia away from power. Similarly in Syria and Libya extremists were used – in Syria’s case unsuccessfully, at least so far – to break the Assad government, and to get rid of Colonel Muammar Gaddafi.

So, I think what happened in Ukraine was when they realized they weren’t able to shift Yanukovich and his government through peaceful demonstration, they had to call upon the mob, the mafia, to bring this about – in this case of course the far right. So I think they are aware of what’s gone on and I’m afraid they have been fully involved.

RT: The West seems to be rushing to assure Ukraine it will be welcome in the EU and NATO. What’s in it for Europe and the US?

CS: Obviously in terms of NATO it means the West and its forces will be one step nearer the Russian border. So there is a lot to gain there. As far as the EU is concerned, it’s a slightly more nuanced state of affairs.

I think it’s very unlikely with things as they stand that Ukraine will become a member of the EU. But, it is not impossible if the West in any way felt they were backed against a wall they could hurry them in, or at least hurry a western Ukraine in. That would cause enormous problems, particularly for member states like Britain, which have taken in thousands of people from Eastern Europe and the former Soviet Union over the past ten years.

I think the prospect on the ground for Ukraine entering the EU for many member states would be fairly dramatic and unwelcome.

If you think that the Russian Times is too bias a source try this one from Reuters:

Ukraine parliament ousts Yanukovich, Tymoshenko freed

KIEV (Reuters) – Ukraine’s parliament voted to remove President Viktor Yanukovich after three months of street protests, while his arch-rival Yulia Tymoshenko hailed opposition demonstrators as “heroes” in an emotional speech in Kiev after she was released from jail. Yanukovich abandoned the capital to the opposition on Saturday and denounced what he described as a coup after several days of bloodshed this week that claimed 82 lives. Supporters cheered former prime minister Tymoshenko as she left the hospital where she had been held. When she spoke later in Kiev, her reception was mixed. Her release marks a radical transformation in the former Soviet republic of 46 million people. Removal of the pro-Russian Yanukovich should pull Ukraine away from Moscow’s orbit and closer to Europe.


Tymoshenko, with her trademark braided hair, waved to supporters from a car as she was driven out of the hospital in Kharkiv, where she has been treated for a bad back while serving a seven-year sentence since 2011. Setting herself immediately on a collision course with Moscow, Tymoshenko said she was sure her country would join the European Union in the near future. Her release was welcomed by Washington.  Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said “illegal extremist groups are refusing to disarm and in fact are taking Kiev under their control with the connivance of opposition leaders”.


Yanukovich enraged much of the population by turning away from the European Union to cultivate closer relations with Russia three months ago. On Friday, he made sweeping concessions in a deal brokered by European diplomats after days of street battles during which police snipers gunned down protesters. But the deal, which called for early elections by the end of the year, was not enough to satisfy pro-Europe demonstrators on Independence Square. They wanted Yanukovich out immediately in the wake of the bloodletting. The release of Tymoshenko transforms Ukraine by giving the opposition a single leader who may become president, although Klitschko and others also have claims.

“Yanukovich enraged much of the population by turning away from the European Union to cultivate closer relations with Russia three months ago. ” from thus sprung the Russian Separatist movement, which lead to the downing of  flight MH17.  Yanukovich had to take flight and went to Moscow for refuge, he  the duly elected president of Ukraine deposed and out of power.  This led to Putin taking the Crimea for fear of losing Russia’s only deep water port.

I am a United States Marine, and as anti Communism as you can get, but I do not believe that our government should lie to us.  It should lay out its interest and intentio directly to the people, and let them decide if it is a correct or incorrect path.  By the way, the US is NATO, without the uS there is no NATO!


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  20. Your assumptions are simply wrong. Russians and their puppets in Ukraine are responsible..

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